West Virginia voted for Trump 69.97% to Harris getting 28.10%, and now their coal miners are losing black lung screenings after Trump slashed the budget for the worker safety agency NIOSH.
The idea of Trump paying his debts is ludicrous; he only cares about what he gets. He owes the coal miners safety but will never pay for it. As a retired MD who went to UPitt Med Sch, i can testify that terminal black lung disease is a horrendous way to die. And, Trump doesn't give a gold plated shit for the pain of others.
I live in Va and West Va is beautiful but extremely sad to drive through. WV needs help in so many ways and Trump lied, lied and lied again. We can’t blame the victims!
Good. I’m glad that voters, counties, and states that voted for Trump are now suffering. They are getting exactly what they deserve. Elections have consequences.
They voted for him. I do have compassion for their suffering, but let’s be clear, they are not victims. They made their choice, and their confirmation bias dictated that choice, so they must face the folly of it or they will continue to suffer. Who and what will they vote for now? It is in their hands, not anyone else’s.
The “victims” were told over and over by rumpy himself what would transpire. The Democrats told them, but they were so wrapped up in the cult and the joy of “owning the libs,” whatever that means, that they wanted to put the sexual predator/adjudicated rapist lying conman in office. I am sorry for their suffering but this is what they voted for.
I would discuss or feel bad/ but facts are knowable- no republican administration in 40 plus years has voted for anything that benefits humans. none of them.
Plus look at trumps handling of COVID- no leadership no responsibility, telling people to inject bleach- no national response because hey people dying are not his problem.
Nothing the man has ever done screams hey yeah I am gonna make sure your taken care of.
All of that is media driven. Saying the people is simply not accurate. Very few people ever get to say what they support. People don't need to defend trans rights because trans people do not threaten them. The thugs made it up and sold it to people who want others to hate and be afraid of. And Gaza is a genocide in action executed by the IDF at the direction of Bebe the Murderer.
I’ve lost friends family colleagues over this bullshit. I know we all have and it’s hard to forgive sometimes. I’ve almost fought over this. A-fucking-mazing.
I hope I can speak freely and make sense of what I’m about to say….
I do not blame republicans
I do not blame democrats
I do not blame WVians
I do not blame the preachers
I blame us all. The collective. We have been complacent about voting for decades. And you can’t say we haven’t. 25-35% voter turnout out!!! Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have always tried to get people to vote. I once hitchhiked 25 miles so I could vote and then go back for work. No lie.
The “Your vote don’t count” slogan worked very fucking well in this state. All the corruption in the 40-50-60’s
And Politicians have done nothing to correct it on a national and local level. This election more people didn’t vote than voted.
Feel free to Correct me if I’m wrong. If you’ve been in WV your whole life you know these things to be true.
Ok. I call them out on a daily basis, but the democrats do nothing to head off problems.
Republicans beat us over the head with abortion and 2nd amendment for years. Only when Dems started addressing those issues head on did it lose its power.
Next came African-American. They beat us up with that. Reagan wedding the republicans with Christianity making Dems devil lovers.
Now they use the trans scare.
Meanwhile, Dems avoid the issues and Republicans again dictate the agenda for the next election cycle.
Is it that dems avoid or is it that they just do not tell blatant lies to make their case. Rethugs are dirty fighters who know how to market the thug in chief. They have worked for decades to engineer Project 25. Dems screamed and yelled and the donnie voters said ho hum.
Stop it! The voter who voted for donnie is responsible for that vote and the consequences that follow. Too late for mercy or buyers remorse. The wrecking ball is swinging and will not stop until dumb don dies or crawls into a hole.
Yes you are absolutely correct. Only thing is I’m a life long Democrat from WV, we all suffer. So until we do some serious sole searching as a country, we are just kicking the can down the road.
Patrick in principle I agree. The flaw here is that the soul searching is one-sided because rethugs know nothing about introspection, self-reflection or even second thoughts about donnie. I have initiated convos with 32 separate republicans, all of which ended badly due to my having to call out lying, denying, blame shifting, what about shifts and just plain political obstinance. I gave up. We no longer exist "as a country". We are a country fatally divided. It won't end well.
There is indeed much good left to fight for. The world is full of good people doing good things that benefit themselves and others. Nature is good. The sun never says to the earth you owe me. The reality is that in much of this world the good people are not in power. The rather mentally ill, wealthy white men are the ones in power. They are sick and they are not good. They have armies and what not. And yes, the dems have a problem with decorum, laziness, expecting others to share our value just because we hold them. I am honest so they are also honest kind of mistake. We need to be assertive, loud, demanding and even combative. Now. Early and often. Relentlessly.in their face. If only.
I am also a lifelong Democrat who lives in WV! This state is suffering and getting worse especially now when we have Trump's minions for governor and a fire red legislature. But until you have traveled the hills and holders of this beautiful state, lived in areas without potable drinking water, put your child on a school bus for a 2 hour ride to school, or just witnessed the abject poverty and hopelessnes of the population, to those who criticize? Have you offered any assistance or does it make you feel better to just sit back and criticize a place where areas have no internet, only dirt roads, and not much access to national news? Is the criticism a star in your crown? Don't judge and show some empathy.
I judge no one. And yes there is poverty and hardship but mostly ignorance. Not knowing is exactly what republicans want. But it’s not just here it’s a nation wide ignorance campaign. I love my state. I love the people. The people here have one thing most people don’t, we know where we are going to buried.
I love this beautiful state and the wonderful people who live here. But they just want to believe that someone who really doesn't care tells them I can make your lives better. Only nothing ever gets better. I just hate being the prime example of ignorance. On the good side, you and I and others like us are still here. Walk in peace.
Thank you for being a democrat in WV, it must be difficult. Sometimes(place) I feel alone in a blue state. But I’m struggling with the empathy part of this … the purpose of voting is to elect change , and the people have the ability to elect their own change, but have consistently elected to choose their own circumstances by always voting for the same party, with the same results. If residents of WV (& red states in gen) want change it needs to come from them first. They have the power to change their outcome.
A heavily Democratic that put John Kennedy over the top and gave him the presidency. And then mines were bought by men who didn't care and mining got more dangerous, jobs were getting fewer, black lung was rampant. Businesses close, no doctors, fewer teachers, towns are dying. So what do you do? You believe the lies of the coming prosperity big stotrs, beer schools, more doctors and hospitals. And you believe it because you want to and need to. So here we are. Things aren't better? It's his fault. So yeah. Here we are. Walk in peace my friend. I believe we can make it better. For all of us.
Absolutely right. And people vote their values. Hateful racists vote for the party that espouses hateful racism. It’s just that simple. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever with anyone - or any state - that voted for Trump.
You don’t get to excuse yourself by saying that you only voted for his economic policies that you didn’t think he’d really do the things that he said he would. The Germans tried that after the war and it didn’t work.
Trump and Republicans don't care about the average American except to get elected. After they are elected they always chose corporate interests, and the workers be damned!
As usual our government is being disgusting again. This bloated f****** clown wants coal mines and also wants the coal miners to die.... Simple. Meanwhile West Virginia keeps voting for this douchebag they have no idea what's going on. They're too stupid to read anything except to watch Fox News who lies in their face every f****** day. So really we're supposed to feel bad because people are getting black lung after they voted for him???? F*** that sorry. We can't all f****** do the work of what they're supposed to do to prevent this s***. I'm saying not my goddamn problem. I have enough goddamn problems to deal with. They voted for this s*** they have to live with it or die.
One thing that blue collar Republican voters have done for decades is voting against their own best self interests. I've tried repeatedly to explain (with facts) to my family members who are trumpers and they don't want to hear it. They believe EVERYTHING Trump tells them, not to mention the garbage they hear from Sean Hannity and other right-wing media trash. As I've said many times, trumpism is a disease with a low cure rate.
Very true I moved to Virginia and 2023 at the 31 years in Florida with those assholes and 30 years in New Jersey with the most corrupt government ever. I'm hoping Virginia is smarter than West Virginia. I am sickened every time I pass by the Trump store here. But we protest every Saturday against Trump there.
Ask those goober coal miners if they still support donnie and they will say YES!!!!! That is a form of toxic denial that most donnie voters cling to because they cannot ever go back. Elections have consequences and some people are going to die from the hand of donnie dead bodies.
I am going to say it for the idiots in the back: BOTING HAS CONSEQUENCES! He showed YOU who he was and YOU were dumb enough to vote for him, or maybe you just could t vote for a woman??? You are living it now!!
From a purely intellectual standpoint, you may well be right. And I too am an inveterate Trump loather and not anywhere on their side politically.
But I can’t take that attitude with respect to the people themselves, especially when many of them are suffering and dying because they are the ones who procure the energy that makes our lives better.
You don’t have to agree with them. But you can still give them some love and some compassion.
I remember when conservatives referred to lefties as “bleeding heart liberals.” I was one of those conservatives. Now I’m more inclined to think it’s better to have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.
Some wonderful day, Trump, the American nightmare, will be gone. But we Americans will still have to keep on living with each other. We shouldn’t make doing that any harder than it already is.
That is sinful. I say that as a daughter of a coal miner. After many years of working underground, my dad was diagnosed with black lung. He was a union member and the UMWA took good care of him in his later years.
If you voted for Trump2, I have no sympathy. IT helps to pay attention to more than one person, more than one TV a news station or more than just the “Know-it-all” guy, you meet at the bar.
Some knuckleheads constantly refuse to understand that...................Elections have consequences. I have NO SYMPATHY for these folks. And just wait, when J.D. Vance runs for the presidency in 2028 he'll get plenty of votes from airhead GOP voters.
I don’t want to say this is what they get, I want to say because I know West Virginia and Southwestern Pennsylvania the Orange Felon spoke there language and you ask what do you mean , a lot of them barely got out of high school and there only means of getting to the middle class was the coal mines. So that’s what happened and yes I have witnessed coal miners dying of black lungs in the 50and60’s before the government got serious about the disease. And Trump promise them jobs in the mines but now they are mostly automated and they don’t need people. So they will feel the pain in more ways than one.
The idea of Trump paying his debts is ludicrous; he only cares about what he gets. He owes the coal miners safety but will never pay for it. As a retired MD who went to UPitt Med Sch, i can testify that terminal black lung disease is a horrendous way to die. And, Trump doesn't give a gold plated shit for the pain of others.
Good. They voted for Trump. Fuck ‘em. They deserve what they get. Elections have consequences.
I live in Va and West Va is beautiful but extremely sad to drive through. WV needs help in so many ways and Trump lied, lied and lied again. We can’t blame the victims!
Good. I’m glad that voters, counties, and states that voted for Trump are now suffering. They are getting exactly what they deserve. Elections have consequences.
They voted for him. I do have compassion for their suffering, but let’s be clear, they are not victims. They made their choice, and their confirmation bias dictated that choice, so they must face the folly of it or they will continue to suffer. Who and what will they vote for now? It is in their hands, not anyone else’s.
Yes and all pore people have 2 things in common around here
1 we are afraid
2 we are afraid of going to hell
Which hell? The Christian one that doesn't exist, or the hell trump is wreaking on his own supporters?
Here we go! Bashing others and their beliefs. During these times shouldn’t we support and care for one another.
Maybe you should say those exact same words to the maga faithful.
The “victims” were told over and over by rumpy himself what would transpire. The Democrats told them, but they were so wrapped up in the cult and the joy of “owning the libs,” whatever that means, that they wanted to put the sexual predator/adjudicated rapist lying conman in office. I am sorry for their suffering but this is what they voted for.
What would John Denver have thought about this?
Ok, I agree but I really don’t blame the citizens. I think it’s far greater than that. I’d be glad to discuss if you want?
I would discuss or feel bad/ but facts are knowable- no republican administration in 40 plus years has voted for anything that benefits humans. none of them.
Plus look at trumps handling of COVID- no leadership no responsibility, telling people to inject bleach- no national response because hey people dying are not his problem.
Nothing the man has ever done screams hey yeah I am gonna make sure your taken care of.
Don’t blame the citizens???? Who voted for Trump then - the squirrels????
No but a lot of scared coal miners did. A lot of construction workers did a bunch of religious mawmaws and pawapaws did.
Again blame is on us not really addressing the issues and letting republicans dictate the narrative.
We are too busy defending Trans rights to starving people.
Too busy worrying about Gaza than are you ok Mr and Mrs Wv.
All of that is media driven. Saying the people is simply not accurate. Very few people ever get to say what they support. People don't need to defend trans rights because trans people do not threaten them. The thugs made it up and sold it to people who want others to hate and be afraid of. And Gaza is a genocide in action executed by the IDF at the direction of Bebe the Murderer.
Rank choice would be better but convincing the masses that way
I agree but where does the working men and women fit in??
Exactly right. They voted for Trump, so fuck ‘em. They get what they deserve. Elections have consequences.
Like many of you I’m left scratching my head thinking what the hell??
I’ve lost friends family colleagues over this bullshit. I know we all have and it’s hard to forgive sometimes. I’ve almost fought over this. A-fucking-mazing.
I have cut off friends, families, and businesses that supported Trump. Their values are not mine.
I hope I can speak freely and make sense of what I’m about to say….
I do not blame republicans
I do not blame democrats
I do not blame WVians
I do not blame the preachers
I blame us all. The collective. We have been complacent about voting for decades. And you can’t say we haven’t. 25-35% voter turnout out!!! Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have always tried to get people to vote. I once hitchhiked 25 miles so I could vote and then go back for work. No lie.
The “Your vote don’t count” slogan worked very fucking well in this state. All the corruption in the 40-50-60’s
And Politicians have done nothing to correct it on a national and local level. This election more people didn’t vote than voted.
Feel free to Correct me if I’m wrong. If you’ve been in WV your whole life you know these things to be true.
I wait for comments
I welcome them
Yeah no. I’m not a Nazi. Don’t blame me. Blame the MAGA Nazis and their vile racist beliefs.
Ok. I call them out on a daily basis, but the democrats do nothing to head off problems.
Republicans beat us over the head with abortion and 2nd amendment for years. Only when Dems started addressing those issues head on did it lose its power.
Next came African-American. They beat us up with that. Reagan wedding the republicans with Christianity making Dems devil lovers.
Now they use the trans scare.
Meanwhile, Dems avoid the issues and Republicans again dictate the agenda for the next election cycle.
Let’s discuss
Is it that dems avoid or is it that they just do not tell blatant lies to make their case. Rethugs are dirty fighters who know how to market the thug in chief. They have worked for decades to engineer Project 25. Dems screamed and yelled and the donnie voters said ho hum.
Both
We don’t want to offend so we don’t call out the blatant lies and hypocrisy.
Yes, that sounds right. A self-inflicted trap.
Stop it! The voter who voted for donnie is responsible for that vote and the consequences that follow. Too late for mercy or buyers remorse. The wrecking ball is swinging and will not stop until dumb don dies or crawls into a hole.
Yes you are absolutely correct. Only thing is I’m a life long Democrat from WV, we all suffer. So until we do some serious sole searching as a country, we are just kicking the can down the road.
Patrick in principle I agree. The flaw here is that the soul searching is one-sided because rethugs know nothing about introspection, self-reflection or even second thoughts about donnie. I have initiated convos with 32 separate republicans, all of which ended badly due to my having to call out lying, denying, blame shifting, what about shifts and just plain political obstinance. I gave up. We no longer exist "as a country". We are a country fatally divided. It won't end well.
You are probably right, but if I can quote Sam from Lord Of The Rings, “There’s good left in this world Mr. Frodo, and it’s worth fighting for!”
We as democrats must stop reacting and start acting.
Comment please
There is indeed much good left to fight for. The world is full of good people doing good things that benefit themselves and others. Nature is good. The sun never says to the earth you owe me. The reality is that in much of this world the good people are not in power. The rather mentally ill, wealthy white men are the ones in power. They are sick and they are not good. They have armies and what not. And yes, the dems have a problem with decorum, laziness, expecting others to share our value just because we hold them. I am honest so they are also honest kind of mistake. We need to be assertive, loud, demanding and even combative. Now. Early and often. Relentlessly.in their face. If only.
I am also a lifelong Democrat who lives in WV! This state is suffering and getting worse especially now when we have Trump's minions for governor and a fire red legislature. But until you have traveled the hills and holders of this beautiful state, lived in areas without potable drinking water, put your child on a school bus for a 2 hour ride to school, or just witnessed the abject poverty and hopelessnes of the population, to those who criticize? Have you offered any assistance or does it make you feel better to just sit back and criticize a place where areas have no internet, only dirt roads, and not much access to national news? Is the criticism a star in your crown? Don't judge and show some empathy.
I judge no one. And yes there is poverty and hardship but mostly ignorance. Not knowing is exactly what republicans want. But it’s not just here it’s a nation wide ignorance campaign. I love my state. I love the people. The people here have one thing most people don’t, we know where we are going to buried.
I love this beautiful state and the wonderful people who live here. But they just want to believe that someone who really doesn't care tells them I can make your lives better. Only nothing ever gets better. I just hate being the prime example of ignorance. On the good side, you and I and others like us are still here. Walk in peace.
Thank you for being a democrat in WV, it must be difficult. Sometimes(place) I feel alone in a blue state. But I’m struggling with the empathy part of this … the purpose of voting is to elect change , and the people have the ability to elect their own change, but have consistently elected to choose their own circumstances by always voting for the same party, with the same results. If residents of WV (& red states in gen) want change it needs to come from them first. They have the power to change their outcome.
A heavily Democratic that put John Kennedy over the top and gave him the presidency. And then mines were bought by men who didn't care and mining got more dangerous, jobs were getting fewer, black lung was rampant. Businesses close, no doctors, fewer teachers, towns are dying. So what do you do? You believe the lies of the coming prosperity big stotrs, beer schools, more doctors and hospitals. And you believe it because you want to and need to. So here we are. Things aren't better? It's his fault. So yeah. Here we are. Walk in peace my friend. I believe we can make it better. For all of us.
Absolutely right. And people vote their values. Hateful racists vote for the party that espouses hateful racism. It’s just that simple. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever with anyone - or any state - that voted for Trump.
Although some i know personally I do blame and will hold them forever accountable
If you vote for a Nazi, you ARE a Nazi.
You don’t get to excuse yourself by saying that you only voted for his economic policies that you didn’t think he’d really do the things that he said he would. The Germans tried that after the war and it didn’t work.
When’s the next rally in Huntington or Charleston WV
Nasty! But true. What you sow, so shall you reap.
Trump and Republicans don't care about the average American except to get elected. After they are elected they always chose corporate interests, and the workers be damned!
Everyday is an outrage of incompetence and utter corruption.
You don’t really expect the republicans to side with any working people, do you???
When’s the next rally near Huntington WV???
As usual our government is being disgusting again. This bloated f****** clown wants coal mines and also wants the coal miners to die.... Simple. Meanwhile West Virginia keeps voting for this douchebag they have no idea what's going on. They're too stupid to read anything except to watch Fox News who lies in their face every f****** day. So really we're supposed to feel bad because people are getting black lung after they voted for him???? F*** that sorry. We can't all f****** do the work of what they're supposed to do to prevent this s***. I'm saying not my goddamn problem. I have enough goddamn problems to deal with. They voted for this s*** they have to live with it or die.
One thing that blue collar Republican voters have done for decades is voting against their own best self interests. I've tried repeatedly to explain (with facts) to my family members who are trumpers and they don't want to hear it. They believe EVERYTHING Trump tells them, not to mention the garbage they hear from Sean Hannity and other right-wing media trash. As I've said many times, trumpism is a disease with a low cure rate.
Very true I moved to Virginia and 2023 at the 31 years in Florida with those assholes and 30 years in New Jersey with the most corrupt government ever. I'm hoping Virginia is smarter than West Virginia. I am sickened every time I pass by the Trump store here. But we protest every Saturday against Trump there.
As a new Virginia resident you'll get to vote for Abigail! Congrats!
YES!!!!!!
Ask those goober coal miners if they still support donnie and they will say YES!!!!! That is a form of toxic denial that most donnie voters cling to because they cannot ever go back. Elections have consequences and some people are going to die from the hand of donnie dead bodies.
No one deserves the America we are getting
MAGA=Make America Gasp (for air)Again!
Trump doesn’t care.
Sounds like payback to me. Tough shit.
I am going to say it for the idiots in the back: BOTING HAS CONSEQUENCES! He showed YOU who he was and YOU were dumb enough to vote for him, or maybe you just could t vote for a woman??? You are living it now!!
"Almost heaven, West Virginia" my ass.
From a purely intellectual standpoint, you may well be right. And I too am an inveterate Trump loather and not anywhere on their side politically.
But I can’t take that attitude with respect to the people themselves, especially when many of them are suffering and dying because they are the ones who procure the energy that makes our lives better.
You don’t have to agree with them. But you can still give them some love and some compassion.
I remember when conservatives referred to lefties as “bleeding heart liberals.” I was one of those conservatives. Now I’m more inclined to think it’s better to have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.
Some wonderful day, Trump, the American nightmare, will be gone. But we Americans will still have to keep on living with each other. We shouldn’t make doing that any harder than it already is.
That is sinful. I say that as a daughter of a coal miner. After many years of working underground, my dad was diagnosed with black lung. He was a union member and the UMWA took good care of him in his later years.
If you voted for Trump2, I have no sympathy. IT helps to pay attention to more than one person, more than one TV a news station or more than just the “Know-it-all” guy, you meet at the bar.
Some knuckleheads constantly refuse to understand that...................Elections have consequences. I have NO SYMPATHY for these folks. And just wait, when J.D. Vance runs for the presidency in 2028 he'll get plenty of votes from airhead GOP voters.
I don’t want to say this is what they get, I want to say because I know West Virginia and Southwestern Pennsylvania the Orange Felon spoke there language and you ask what do you mean , a lot of them barely got out of high school and there only means of getting to the middle class was the coal mines. So that’s what happened and yes I have witnessed coal miners dying of black lungs in the 50and60’s before the government got serious about the disease. And Trump promise them jobs in the mines but now they are mostly automated and they don’t need people. So they will feel the pain in more ways than one.